王常青:自性,自体,自相
王常青:后面有详细解释
陈子平:自性见不完全是中观宗立的靶子,或是立的稻草人。
陈子平:自性见的产生非常自然。
陈子平:作为一种哲学正式出现
陈子平:估计应该是希腊的柏拉图
陈子平:后来这些学派,大概被称之为essentialism。
陈子平:essence,基本就是性的意思。
陈子平:认为每一事物都有自己的essence。
王常青:哦,东西方大家都有这个见啊
陈子平:当然西方哲学学派比较多。并不是说与之对立的学派就没有自性见。
陈子平:哦,东西方大家都有这个见啊-----欧亚大陆其实文明交流比较多,并不是孤立发展的。
陈子平:数学上的一个争端就是,数学中的各种构建,到底是发明的,还是发现的。
陈子平:这个争端,因为是个哲学观念,是谁也没发说服谁的。
王常青:数学上的一个争端就是,数学中的各种构建,到底是发明的,还是发现的。——如果是发现的,意思是“自性”有,而后发现它吗?
陈子平:是啊,如果是发现,那么就是你知道不知道,它都在那里。
王常青:了解
王常青:所以,这种“自性”,是一种割裂见,恒常不动的。
陈子平:Essentialism作为一种哲学,是比较清晰有意识的坚持自性见。属于,分别邪见。而一般人不加教育都持的自性见,并不因为受宗派影响而有,所以是具生邪见。
王常青:后者更加细微顽固吧?
王常青:Essentialism作为一种哲学,是比较清晰有意识的坚持自性见。属于,分别邪见。而一般人不加教育都持的自性见,并不因为受宗派影响而有,所以是具生邪见。——:后者更加细微顽固吧?
陈子平:当然,后者断起来也更加困难。
风土:分别和具生,哈
陈子平:具生的更细微,难以觉察。
陈子平:Essentialism is the view that, for any specific entity (such as an animal, a group of people, a physical object, a concept), there is a set of attributes which are necessary to its identity and function.[1] In Western thought the concept is found in the work ofPlato and Aristotle. Platonic idealism is the earliest known theory of how all known things and concepts have an essential reality behind them (an "Idea" or "Form"), an essence that makes those things and concepts what they are. Aristotle's Categoriesproposes that all objects are the objects they are by virtue of theirsubstance, that the substance makes the object what it is. The essential qualities of an object, so George Lakoff summarizes Aristotle's highly influential view, are "those properties that make the thing what it is, and without which it would be not that kind of thing".[2] This view is contrasted with non-essentialism, which states that, for any given kind of entity, there are no specific traitswhich entities of that kind must possess.